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Sun's Nov 2, 1992 Announcement: "Right boxes for rightsizing"
HP and Sun announced products aimed at two different targets with
some overlap.
Sun announced 2 low end workstations, one high end server, and a new
integration services organization. All are aimed at the rightsizing
market (mostly commercial).
HP announced the 2nd generation of the Series 700 with new graphics
and 'MPower', the person-to-person multimedia communication tool.
These products are aimed at the technical and commercial workstation
market and high end PC market.
SUN PRODUCTS:
SPARCclassic: low cost, 15" color desktop workstation
$4295 quantity 1, non-discountable, $3995 quantity
12, non-discountable (US List)
Target: PC replacement/non-technical
SPARCstation LX: low cost, accelerated 2D desktop color workstation,
prices start at $7995 (US List)
Target: new workstation user/technical
SPARCcenter2000: Up to 20-way multi-processing server. Prices start
at $95,000 (US List)
SunService 2000: Service package for SPARCcenter 2000 customers,
includes 24 hr/day, 7 days/wk support, on-site
training and tailored services
SunIntegration Services: new division within SMCC for planning and
executing rightsizing transformations. Will
act as a project manager or prime contractor
by selecting integrators/technology partners
ANNOUNCEMENT HIGHLIGHTS:
"These new systems are neither fish nor fowl", states Bob Weinberger
"as a PC replacement they're too expensive, and as a workstation
they have been compromised."
SPARCstation LX
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Sun turns up its nose at technical users! McNealy no longer wants to
talk in technical terms and use product benchmarks that technical
buyers have relied upon for years when comparing hardware platforms!
Sun announced the SPARCstation LX, a low cost 2D color workstation
for the technical workstation user that replaces the IPX at a lower
price point, increases performance by a whopping 8% (SPECint92)
and is slightly LESS in SPECfp92! No wonder they don't want to use
benchmarks!
Sun limited the SPARCstation LX on expandability and useability.
The max RAM is 96MB, and has no upgrade path to a higher performing
system. They incorporated the GX plus graphics (2D accelerator)
as standard and it's still only half of HP's 715/33 base graphics
in vector performance. And HP 715/33 X perf is 3 times that of the
SPARCstation LX. This system has been COMPROMISED! No wonder
they don't want to use benchmarks!
So they designed a workstation for technical users that has a low
price point, lacks performance and investment protection, and forces
them to Solaris 2.1. Most of Sun's technical users are still on
Solaris 1.1. Those that have begun the migration to 2.0 have been
highly disatisfied with the quality of the release. A Sun official
has even admitted that there are 1000 bugs in 2.0! Would you trust
your MISSION CRITICAL project with this OS? Sun users that need a
real workstation are left with the SPARC10 which isn't shipping in
volume, has sluggish single CPU performance, and requires multiple
CPUs to catch up to HP's single processor systems. SUN TECHNICAL
CUSTOMERS BEWARE! Sun is pointing their ONE arrow in a different
direction, where will that leave you?
SPARCclassic
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"Sun has pulled a bait and switch with the Classic and it's
non-discountable pricing" adds Weinberger. "Sun's corporate customers
are not going to stand for this."
The SPARCclassic is targeted at the commercial PC market and offers
486 performance at much higher prices - good aim Scott! (486/50 =
SPECint92: 30.1, SPECfp92: 14, with street prices that are about
1/3 to 1/2 the price). The Classic is intended to be a low cost
color client yet lacks the floating point advantage that comes from
a workstation and it's not upgradeable.
It also lacks applications - only 860 are expected to be ported
to Solaris 2.1 later in 1993, and who knows how many of them will
be PC type applications.
HP's MPower Advantage!
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Sun offers multimedia products, but HP offers a person-to-person
communication environment with all the parts integrated and packaged
in one product that users can get from one vendor. Sun's multi-
media solutions come from different 3rd party vendors, are sold
separately and they don't have Shared X.
Sun vs. HP: Product Comparisons
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SPARCclassic SPARCstation LX HP 715/33
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Package Desktop Desktop Desktop
SPECmark89 NP NP 45.9
SPECint92 26.4 26.4 24.2
SPECfp92 21.0 21.0 45.0
MIPS 59.1 59.1 41.0
Mflops 4.6 4.6 8.6
Processor MicroSPARC MicroSPARC PA 7100
Frequency 50Mhz 50Mhz 33Mhz
Cache (Ins/data) 6KB 6KB 64KB/64KB
Operating System Solaris 2.1 Solaris 2.1 HP-UX 9.0
Graphics Grayscale
Color 2D accel 2D color
3D color
2D/3D accel
Memory 16-96MB 16-96MB 8-192MB
Parity Parity ECC
Total 207MB - 424MB - 525MB -
Disk Capacity 22GB 22GB 69GB
# of slots 2 2 1 (opt)
ISDN No Yes Yes
Audio 8 bit 16 bit 16 bit
Upgradeability No No Yes to 715/50
& future 715s
Warranty 1 year 1 year 1 year
Price/ $4295/ $5695
Configuration: 15" color 15" color
16MB, 207MB 16MB, diskless
non-discountable discountable
$3995 for 12 pak
$7995/ $7395/
16" color 15" color
16MB, 424MB 16MB, 525MB
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NP = Not Published (wonder why...)
Sun Knock-offs:
- Low price point of $4295 is NON-DISCOUNTABLE. HP 715/33 at $5695
with a 22% discount is $4442
- $3995 price point requires purchase of 12 systems
- Solaris 2.1 requires 250MB of disk space to load complete OS.
207MB disk cannot hold entire OS and when parts of it are loaded,
there's very little swap space
- Price difference between 15" color and 16" color is $3700! (All
those corporate discounts went into lowering the price)
- HP offers 2x RAM capacity
- HP offers 3x Disk capacity
- Don't forget the 715/50 has much better performance if these
systems won't do. It costs $5k less and outperforms a SPARCstation
10:30 which would be Sun's answer to more performance.
SPARCCenter 2000
Product Highlights:
- New XDBus(central system bus) with 500MB/s sustainable transfer rate
- Capable of doing 8-way in April 1993; 16-way in second half of 1993
and 20-way in first half on 1994
- Low entry system price: $95,000 for a 2-way system with 64MB of
memory, 4.2 GB of hard disk and one 4-slot I/O channel
- Cost to add 2 CPUs: $20,000
- Performance: approximately 500 TPS and 1631 job/min AIM III at 8-way
- Automatic system reconfiguration around failed components
- Performance growth through additional processors and future higher
clock speed SuperSPARC chip
- SunService 2000: 24 hours/day, 7 days/week support with 2-hour
response and 15 days of tailored training
- System integration Service where Sun can either prime the entire
project or partners with Anderson Consulting, Cambridge Technology
Group and likes.
Phased rollout plan:
Phase 1 Phase 2 Phase 3
4/93 2H93 1H/93
Number of CPUs 8 16 20
Maximum Disk 138GB 340GB 1TB
Maximum Memory 3GB 5GB 5GB
Number of I/O slots 24 40 40
Analysis:
(1) Sun wants to establishes itself as a viable vendor in the
commercial market. Even though the first customer shipment is 6 months
out, Sun nevertheless introduced the SPARCCenter 2000 in hope of
participating in the already booming rightsizing market.
(2) To gain quick recognition in the commercial market, Sun used price
as the major attraction. They made sure this message cam out loud and
clear during the announcement.
(3) Performance of SPARCCenter merely matches what HP can deliver today
on the 887/890 and 890 family. In fact, industry analysts like IDC and
InfoCorp quickly pointed out that problem. HP will leapfrog Sun by the
time Sun reaches phase 1.
(4) The successful delivery of the SPARCCenter depends on many things.
The 40 MHz chip has to be there. The Solaris 2.2 needs to be available
and optimized for SPARCCenter. The third party software needs to be
there for potential customers to do actual work. Any customer who is
looking seriously at rightsizing can not take Sun seriously.
(5) Due to the poor MP performance of 600MP line, Sun had adviced its
sales force to stay away from mission-critical applications. That
means Sun has no reference site!
(6) IDC also quickly pointed out price is not the only thing commercial
customer looks for. Marketing, sales and support all need to be lined
up to meet customer's requirement. Sun will to have retrain its sales
force to think differently as Sun has traditionally relies on third
parties's support and very technical selling.
(7) The phased implementation shows Sun is still learning the art of
optimizing SMP performance. Sun readily admits that they are just
getting started on that.
(8) The fact that only 40 MHz chip was mentioned throughout the
announcement shows Sun is really having problem increase the clock
speed of SuperSPARC.
(9) SPARCCenter 2000 can automatic reconfigure itself around failed
component. HP 890 can diagnoses itself before actual component
failure. Prevention is better than medicine.
(10) Sun still lacks high availability features like CPU switchover.
There is also no performance tuning tool. Neither is B1 security.
Product Comparison
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897 890 SPARCCenter 2000
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Model 1 CPU 1-4/now, 1-16/future 2-8,16,20/future
Packaging
Clock Speed 96MHz 60MHz 40MHz/50MHz(future)
I/O slots 12 up to 112 up to 40
$$/TPS $10,737 $11,606 $8,000(target)
TPCA/TPS 184 578/4-way ~500TPS(target)
Main Memory 768MB 2GB 3GB/5GB(future)
Disk Capacity 144GB 600GB 138/340/1000+GB(future)
O/S 9.0 9.0 Solaris 2.2
Base Config. 64MB 128MB 64MB
1.36GB option 4.2GB
2GBDAT option 500MB QIC
8-user 8-user 2-user
Base Price $112K $350K $95K
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Chris Samolyk, WSBU Outbound Product Marketing
Jeff Shen, CSO Competitive Group